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On July 6th the European Parliament rejected the software patents directive. Europe can only thank the Parliament for this. The IPRED 2 directive is even more absurd. It should be rejected in first reading. We wish the Parliament the wisdom it had on July 6th 2005.
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== Commercial scale ==
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TRIPS: “Members shall provide for criminal procedures and penalties to be applied at least in cases of wilful trademark counterfeiting or copyright piracy on a commercial scale.” The "commercial scale" requirement is not clear enough. Some right holders claim a possible loss of income is enough - an interpretation contrary to TRIPS. Depending on interpretation by courts, not for profit activities will be a crime, or organised crime or not.
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TRIPS already obliges members to provide criminal procedures (in cases of wilful trademark counterfeiting or copyright piracy). These obligations are seen as severe. There is no need for a directive. We even see a call to remove "commercial scale" from the directive. This would for instance make file sharing by adolescents a crime, or organised crime, with very severe sanctions.
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We also have the Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive 2004. Not enough? We can not know, it is being implemented now. The call to remove "commercial scale" from the directive was motivated by the remark that courts could interpret "commercial scale" differently. This is not an argument, since the ECJ will have the final say.
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Here we have a list of the IP rights concerned. There are many of them, all of them with their own characteristics. They may be unstable, there are issues with delimitations. Did the Commission investigate this? No. The Commission is blind for the differences and problems. The Commission generalises, while generalizations should not be made.



Thank EP

framework art 4, see also the explanatory memorandum on this article


More than 30.000 software patents have been granted, it is impossible to know them all. It is impossible to write software without violating patents. “Independent (re)discovery” occurs daily. A whole industry is criminalized.


countless software developers, source code secret, no proir art database, not known what is new, not known what is inventive,

impossible to write software without violating patents

“independent (re)discovery”

more than 30.000 software patents

impossible to give indemnification


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IPRED 2

Proposal for a
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND COUNCIL DIRECTIVE
on criminal measures aimed at ensuring the enforcement of intellectual property rights

Proposal for a
COUNCIL FRAMEWORK DECISION
to strengthen the criminal law framework to combat intellectual property offences

November 22th 2005

FFII


IPRED 2

Violates the legitimacy principle. Violates the subsidiarity principle. IPRED 2 is excessive.

Legitimacy

We can say: "Fact X is a crime". This rule has to be written down in a law in advance. Before the act. Criminal laws are strict. They have to be, it is a protection against arbitrary power. People are entitled to know what is a crime in advance.

Civil law is less strict. In a copyright case a Dutch court decided a smell can be “a work” in the sense of the copyright law. The scope of the copyright law became broader. In criminal law this would be a violation of the legitimacy principle. People could not know it is a crime to violate a smell.

We have a complication. If you add or increase sanctions to a law that is enforced in a civil way, definitions have to be interpreted in a more strict way. The scope of the law will become more narrow. In copyright law there are issues with the definitions of “work”, “independent” recreation, “parody”.

Trade marks. Trade marks have to be defended rigorously, otherwise they are lost. Trade Marks are unstable. Fact X can turn out not to be a crime! We will have a crazy situation at hand. Fact X can turn out to be a crime, or fact X can turn out not to be a crime! And you will find out in court. This should never be allowed! We are not living in the dark middle ages, this is the 21st century. People are entitled to know what is a crime in advance. Otherwise legitimacy is lost, there is no protection against arbitrary power.

Patents cause lots of problems already. The “As such” exclusions are unclear and drifting. We have a major quality problem at hand. It is impossible to know all patents. In the software industry, it is impossible not to violate patents. With IPRED 2, just doing your job may get you 4 years in prison.

Patents can be invalidated in court. This happens often. Patents are fundamentally unstable. Again fact X can be a crime or not a crime. There is no legitimacy at all. No protection against arbitrary power.

Patents are totally unfit for criminal sanctions.

Excessive

Let´s take al look at trade names. In the Netherlands, on first offence the Civil servant can propose measures to take to stop the offence. Then there will be no punishment. Violating a trade name is a minor offence in the Netherlands, the fine is 2250 euro. On second offence the fine is the same or two weeks of prison.


> 100 times as severe for a first offense as now in NL for a second offence
In NL: no cases the last 50 years
Total lack of necessity
Disproportionate to the offense, article 49(3) Charter of Fundamental Rights
IP-rights
IP-rights
Many
Very different
Commission did not investigate the issues
Solve the legitimacy problem
Exclude unstable rights
Clear up grey area's
Rewrite all IP-laws
Scope of protection drastically narrowed
Privatize the police
Right-holders may assist the police with the investigation, help to draw conclusions.
Neutrality of police investigation?
Privatization of the police, how far should it go?
Subsidiarity
IPRED 2 not needed: piracy already forbidden
We already have TRIPS
We already have IPRED 1
IPRED 2: Conclusions
Legitimacy is lost
Excessive
Distorts carefully balanced national procedural law systems
IPRED 2: Conclusions
Legitimacy is lost
Excessive
Distorts carefully balanced national procedural law systems




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Invalidated in court
Fundamentally unstable
No legitimacy at all
No protection against arbitrary power
Patents are totally unfit for criminal sanctions



IPRED 2 first offence:
100.000 / 300.000 euro
Criminal offence
4 years
copyright, rights related to copyright, sui generis right of a database maker, rights of the creator of the topographies of a semiconductor product, trademark rights, design rights patent rights, including rights derived from supplementary protection certificates, geographical indications, utility model rights, plant variety rights, trade names, in so far as these are protected as exclusive property rights in the national law concerned



Commission blind for all the issues
Justification: one A4 page long, 463 words
Grave violation of the subsidiarity principle
== Do we want not for profit file sharing to be organised crime? ==
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 If executed together with others, file sharing could be regarded as organised crime. We could see adolescents' actions countered with means suited for fighting organised crime - as if we or our friends never tried to slip into the picture theatre or circus without paying. And all this while many countries have levies on writeable CDs and DVDs, etc. Public and companies are already paying, even if they store only their own material.
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It is even doubtful whether "commercial scale" will be enough of a requirement to prevent to above scenario.
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We are about to lower our standard of what is crime and organised crime. We are about to make many in our societies criminals and criminalise many commercial organisations that are not pirates. We may cross the line. If our youngsters are criminals already, what would they care about other crimes? If companies are criminalised, shouldn't they go underground or leave Europe?
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Internet file sharing of copyrighted material is a new issue, that requires a balanced and well thought-out solution. The above mentioned levies are an indication that there are more possible ways to follow. And first it should be clear too in how far file sharing actually stimulates buying.
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The question may be asked whether a society that reacts to new developments with an everything-is-a-crime approach is a viable society. The reaction is panic-stricken, not wise.
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Right-holders may assist the police with the investigation, help to draw conclusions.
What will be the impact on neutrality of police investigation?
Privatization of the police, how far should it go?

These are really fundamental questions. The Commission says nothing about it.



Let's take a look at patents. In civil court cases, there is almost always a counterclaim for invalidity. It may take weeks to establish whether the patent should have been granted or not. Counterclaims are often granted. A patent is an unstable right.


from patentability

as such subject to debate for 30 years




There are many IP-rights, we have here the whole list of all concerned. All of them with their own characteristics, their own problems. .


The proposal violates the legitimacy and subsidiarity principles, is excessive, and distorts carefully balanced procedural law systems.


What happens if we make violating a patent a crime? The patent may be nullified by the court. That will, of course, not be known before person A acts. It is impossible to base criminal sanctions on unstable rights. It would be a violation of the legitimacy principle.


Let's zoom in to software patents for a moment.

There are countless software developers around the world, often they keep their source code secret. There is no prior art database, it is not known what is new. If you do not even no what is new, it is impossible to know what is really inventive.


depending on the circumstances


Two companies with the same name. What happens?





In Netherlands, violating a trade name is a minor offense
Civil servant can propose measures to take to stop the offense
No punishment

2250 euro fine
A second offense:
Same fine, or 2 weeks prison

100.000 euro
300.000 euro
4 years prison
On first offense!

100 times as severe for a first offense as now in NL for a second offense
In NL: no cases the last 50 years
Total lack of necessity
Disproportionate to the offense








Hearing: IPRED2
on November 22th 2005

Proposal for a
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND COUNCIL DIRECTIVE
on criminal measures aimed at ensuring the enforcement of intellectual property rights

Proposal for a
COUNCIL FRAMEWORK DECISION
to strengthen the criminal law framework to combat intellectual property offences




FFII



IPRED 2

Legitimacy

Subsidiarity

Proposal excessive

Rude disturbance of carefully balanced procedural law systems

There are serious issues with legitimacy, subsidiarity, the proposal is excessive, and distorts carefully balanced procedural law systems.




Legitimacy

Person A commits fact X
proven beyond reasonable doubt

Fact X is a crime
written down in a law before person A acts





Legitimacy

Patents

Civil court cases

Almost always counterclaim for invalidity

Counterclaims often granted

Patent unstable right


Patents. In civil court cases, there is almost always a counterclaim for invalidity. It may take weeks to establish whether the patent should have been granted or not. Counterclaims often granted. A patent is an unstable right.





Legitimacy

What happens if we make violating a patent a crime.

Violating patent X is a crime
written down in a law before person A acts

Violating patent X is a crime
(red cross through patent)

The patent may be nullified by the court. That will, of course, not be known before person A acts. It is impossible to base criminal sanctions on unstable rights. That would be a total violation of the legitimacy principle.




Not known before person A acts

Impossible to base criminal sanctions on unstable rights

Violation of legitimacy principle

Throwing this away is throwing civilisation away.











Legitimacy

Patents are unstable rights

Patents have to be excluded from criminal sanctions

Or, patents have to be abolished


These are the only 2 options we have, if we do not want to throw away our civilisation.



Legitimacy


IP-rights



copyright, rights related to copyright, sui generis right of a database maker, rights of the creator of the topographies of a semiconductor product, trademark rights, design rights
patent rights, including rights derived from supplementary protection certificates, geographical indications, utility model rights, plant variety rights, trade names, in so far as these are protected as exclusive property rights in the national law concerned











Legitimacy

Trade names may be globally, nationally or locally

Same area?

More companies can have the same name, if they are not in the same area. When is the distance big enough?


Legitimacy


Trade marks have to be defended rigorously

Lost






Legitimacy

Copyright straightforward?

Wat is a "work"?

What is an “independent” recreation?

What is “parody”?

Copyright may seem more straightforward, but here we have questions like...




Legitimacy

Solve the legitimacy problem

Exclude unstable rights

Exclude grey area's

Rewrite all IP-laws

Scope of protection drastically narrowed

To in so far IP-rights are stable and totally clear

Abolish some of them, if not all





Legitimacy

Conclusion

The directive and framework violate the legitimacy principle

The most precious principle in criminal law














Subsidiarity

Not needed: piracy already forbidden

Are there any countries where this is not the case? The Commission did not investigate this.

Justification one A4 page long





Subsidiarity


Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive 2004







Subsidiarity

Many issues with criminal sanctions on IP-rights

Unstable rights, grey area's

Requires subtle approaches that fit into national law systems

Commission totally blind for these issues

As long as the Commission is blind, these issues can only be solved at a national level





Subsidiarity





Subsidiarity






Right-holders may assist the police with the investigation, help to draw conclusions.

neutrality of police investigation?

saveguards against abuse by right-holders?

public interest, private interest?

privatisation of the police, how far should it go?






The purpose of this article is to ensure that investigations into, or prosecution of,
counterfeiting and piracy offences are not dependent on a report or accusation made by a
person subjected to the offence, at least if the acts were committed in the territory of the
Member State




Excessive

In Netherlands, violating a trade name is a minor offence.

Civil servant can propose measures to take to stop the offence

No punishment

2250 euro fine

A second offence

Same fine, or 2 weeks prison

Commission: 4 years, first offence

The Commission wants
More than 100 times for a first offence, while a first offence










Subsidiarity

“... the Commission shall consult widely.”

“Any draft European legislative act should contain a detailed statement making it possible to appraise compliance with the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality.”

“... substantiated by qualitative and, wherever possible, quantitative indicators. “




Subsidiarity

No consultation mentioned in the proposal

No detailed statement on subsidiarity

No qualitative and quantitative indicators







2. PROTOCOL ON THE APPLICATION OF THE PRINCIPLES OF SUBSIDIARITY AND PROPORTIONALITY


http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2004/c_310/c_31020041216en02070209.pdf

“Article 2
Before proposing European legislative acts, the Commission shall consult widely. Such consultations shall, where appropriate, take into account the regional and local dimension of the action envisaged. In cases of exceptional urgency, the Commission shall not conduct such consultations. It shall give reasons for its decision in its proposal.”



“Article 5
Draft European legislative acts shall be justified with regard to the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality. Any draft European legislative act should contain a detailed statement making it possible to appraise compliance with the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality. This statement should contain some assessment of the proposal's financial impact and, in the case of a European framework law, of its implications for the rules to be put in place by Member States, including, where necessary, the regional legislation. The reasons for concluding that a Union objective can be better achieved at Union level shall be substantiated by qualitative and, wherever possible, quantitative indicators. Draft European legislative acts shall take account of the need for any burden, whether financial or administrative, falling upon the Union, national governments, regional or local authorities, economic operators and citizens, to be minimised and commensurate with the objective to be achieved.”


No consultation mentioned in the proposal. No detailed statement on subsidiarity.

No qualitative and quantitative indicators.







I wouldn't attack IPRED 1 as such, but rather, like Reinier, point out that
criminal sanctions demand more strict definitions, a more narrow scope of
protection. The implications of criminal sanctions are the attack on IPRED 1.






overtreding

as such

geen vervolging inbreuk octrooien


minefield

over een kam

strafmaat

conclusies trekken

onbevooroordeeldheid

Het voorstel verstoort grondrechten en nationale strafrechtstelsels.

rude disturbance of carefully balanced procedural law systems.

more restrictive in defining the scope of
copyright

comparison national law systems
comparison ip-rights

four years' imprisonment

The Member States shall take the measures needed to allow the total or partial confiscation of goods belonging to convicted natural or legal persons in accordance with Article 3 of Framework Decision 2005/212/JHA of 24 February 2005 on Confiscation of Crime-Related Proceeds, Instrumentalities and Property19, at least where the offences are committed under the aegis of a criminal organisation, within the meaning of Framework Decision …. on the fight against organised crime, or where they carry a health or safety risk.


The Member States must ensure that the holders of intellectual property rights concerned, or their representatives, and experts, are allowed to assist the investigations carried out by joint investigation teams into the offences referred to in Article 3 of Directive ..../…/EC.












It is very
difficult to carry out investigations in this area and it is often essential to have the active
participation of the victims, of representatives of the holder of the intellectual property rights
or of experts in order to reach conclusions, and in particular to establish that products have
been counterfeited. Member States have a good deal of latitude in this regard.

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2002/l_162/l_16220020620en00010003.pdf





Article 49(3) of the Charter to the effect that sentences should not be
disproportionate to the offence.


copyright
rights related to copyright
sui generis right of a database maker
rights of the creator of the topographies of a semiconductor product
trademark rights
design rights
patent rights, including rights derived from supplementary protection
certificates
geographical indications
utility model rights
plant variety rights
trade names, in so far as these are protected as exclusive property rights
in the national law concerned
In our opinion we are witnessing an overreaction that will cause more damage than good.

Commercial scale

The "commercial scale" requirement is not clear enough. Some right holders claim a possible loss of income is enough - an interpretation contrary to TRIPS. Depending on interpretation by courts, not for profit activities will be a crime, or organised crime or not.

We even see a call to remove "commercial scale" from the directive. This would for instance make file sharing by adolescents a crime, or organised crime, with very severe sanctions.

The call to remove "commercial scale" from the directive was motivated by the remark that courts could interpret "commercial scale" differently. This is not an argument, since the ECJ will have the final say.

Do we want not for profit file sharing to be organised crime?

  • If executed together with others, file sharing could be regarded as organised crime. We could see adolescents' actions countered with means suited for fighting organised crime - as if we or our friends never tried to slip into the picture theatre or circus without paying. And all this while many countries have levies on writeable CDs and DVDs, etc. Public and companies are already paying, even if they store only their own material.

It is even doubtful whether "commercial scale" will be enough of a requirement to prevent to above scenario.

We are about to lower our standard of what is crime and organised crime. We are about to make many in our societies criminals and criminalise many commercial organisations that are not pirates. We may cross the line. If our youngsters are criminals already, what would they care about other crimes? If companies are criminalised, shouldn't they go underground or leave Europe?

Internet file sharing of copyrighted material is a new issue, that requires a balanced and well thought-out solution. The above mentioned levies are an indication that there are more possible ways to follow. And first it should be clear too in how far file sharing actually stimulates buying.

The question may be asked whether a society that reacts to new developments with an everything-is-a-crime approach is a viable society. The reaction is panic-stricken, not wise.

In our opinion we are witnessing an overreaction that will cause more damage than good.

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